bloomberg's group, that showed that group of wayne lapierre of the nra support of background checks in 1999. because the debate was so much further to the left back then, the nra was under pressure just seemed to be moderate and support some forms of gun control, such as background checks. there's a report from that time that wayne lapierre threatened to quit the nra if they didn't support some kind of control such as background checks. that's helped them win more elections in red states and people like harry reid get elected in nevada, a pretty pro-gun state. the question is, is that going to be productive for people who want to see gun control get passed? will this mean an increased prag ma tichl, mean that the issue has a better chance of getting through? >> and what's the answer to that question? do we know? >> i don't have a crystal ball, but if you talk to people who support gun control, they have been beaten down for a long time, losing consistently for 20 years will do that to you. and they feel better than they ever have. there is, as you know, a lot of momentum behind this issue.